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A worthwhile challenge from PZ Myers

tng | 2005-11-14 03:40

If you've read this week's Carnival of the Godless you've already seen this, but I felt PZ Myers' comments deserved to be highlighted. In preparing this edition of the CotG, PZ wanted to:

...balance the yin and yang of atheism: on one side, the ungodly would rail against the unreason and oppression of living in a religious society; on the other, we'd have the affirmations, the positive assertions of what it means to be a freethinker. Both are important.

What he found was not unexpected, but does illustrate something I've talked about elsewhere. The rants against the awful stupidity, harm or just downright silliness of religion far outweighed the entries promoting the positive side of a godless life. I think we can do better, and so does PZ:

I would suggest, though, that we're failing to communicate a significant aspect of what it means to be godless, and we're not getting the case for atheism across.

The next edition will be at The Evangelical Atheist on 27 November. I'd like to propose a challenge to the freethought community: for every link you send in to cotg-host@brentrasmussen.com that mocks the foolishness and futility of religion, I'd also like all of the submitters to write one post that doesn't reference religion at all, that highlights the virtues of godlessness, and send that in as well.

A large part of my impetus for starting Neural Gourmet was to put aside all of the hate, the fear, the irrationality and superstition that is being foisted on us from all sides. It's not unnatural for us to attack back, and I'm in no way suggesting that we don't hold the religious fundamentalists accountable for their words and actions. However, if we only react then not only are we failing to advance our progressive agenda, but we become defined by our negativity. We become the stereotype that the religious zealots characterize us by.

And to be honest, I hate that everything has become about religion. The theist extremists have turned every subject into some slight against their religion or are pushing to have their religion codified into law and policy at every turn. It's only natural that we atheists come out swinging but it can't all be that. We need to move beyond simply fighting off the enemies of the enlightenment and somehow promote the positive aspects of atheism.

For our own sake we need to end this war because all this constant battling cheapens society and makes it ugly. We know the religious fundamentalists aren't going to offer up the olive branch. They want -- they need -- this war. Well, I don't propose that we surrender, but I would hope that as champions of reason and tolerance us atheists could lead by example.

So, I accept PZ's challenge and I hope you do too. It ain't easy, but nothing worthwhile ever is. 


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The Wheelman | 2005-11-14 08:39 |  Free-thought makes you FREE!

Yeah, that's rather simplistic, but in the words of a popular Teee-Veeee cook, "Hey, this isn't Rocket Science...". This gives me a pause. Like TNG, I spend so much time concentrating on and worrying about what the Christo-Fascists are trying to do to us Athiests and the rest of our country that I lose sight of why I AM a Free-thinker and Atheist. Mostly, I'm free of arbitrary limits on my life. As John Lennon wrote, No Hell beneath us, above us only sky. I CAN ask about the Dinosaurs without worrying about being sent to the Principal's Office... I can wonder about the complexity of the exhibits at "Bodyworlds" free from notions of an "Inteligent Designer", marveling at how Nature makes things work. (and free from notions involving religous constraints on looking at "The Dead") It's a little more peaceful when you have only the little voice inside you nagging you into feeling guilty about something, versus that strident voice from the pulpit or Teeeee-veeeee set. Does it really affect me personally if Gay people can get married? Nope. But there's a guy across the street from me that thinks it does. That's OK, I just won't stop by his "Religion store" on Sunday. Guilt. That's a HUGE part of Religion, you know? We must feel guilty about what Adam and Eve did. Don't touch yourself "down there". Don't have sex outside of marriage. Don't listen to Rock music, or for that fact, Classical. did you know the machine-like beat in a Bach fugue makes teen-age girls want to rub their crotches against ANYTHING handy? I read that once. Bet it works like "Spanish Fly". Don't, Don't, Don't.... I asked a young woman once, "Just what do they DO all day in Heaven?" "Why, you serve God!" Doesn't sound like a fair trade to me. You know, i was hoping to come up with a whole laundry list fo "Good Things" about being an Atheist, but after you say you're Free, what else CAN you say? Oh, and lest you think I'm "free" from any Moral constraints, consider this: Do unto Others as You would have Done unto YOU. Round and Round it Goes...




tng | 2005-11-14 09:57 |  Don't have time now

Just wanted to say... That's really an insightful post.




Shut Up Wesley | 2005-11-15 03:02 |  Yes, it is.

In his own poetic way, Wheelman speaks the truth.



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