What? My account is still here?
varkam | 2007-06-20 03:56
Good grief it has been a while since I've been around these parts. For those who are interested or who don't know any better, I'm doing okay. I won't bore anyone with the details at the moment. I wanted to make a post to let people know that I'm still alive, and also because there has been something on my mind I wanted to try and get other people's input on.
What I've been wondering is just this: what is the difference, if any, between spirituality and religion? A good synopsis I have heard is that spirituality is something that is defined from within whereas religion is defined from without. Also, spirituality (at least in my opinion) is one of those words that has the potential to be misused or at least given a wide berth with respect to it's usage in the lanuage. Any thoughts?
Oh, and it goes without saying but I hope everyone else is well also.
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The Wheelman | 2007-06-20 16:23 |
Ohhhhhh....
So You've noticed the "Spiritual but not Religious" thing in on-line personals too....
Me personally, I think it's weasel words. Person hasn't been inside a church in years, but they still believe in Invisible Sky Daddy, so instead of picking a flavour, they use the "spiritual" cop-out.
Good to see you!
Round and Round it Goes...
varkam | 2007-06-20 23:25 |
But do you think that there might be a deeper meaning...
or usage of the word? I do think it is on of those weasel-words (akin to the usage of "energy" in the pseudosciences) whose meaning is exactly as you describe, but can it have different uses? For instance, one thought I have on a possible distinction is something like Religion - Dogma = Spirituality.
The Wheelman | 2007-06-26 22:46 | That's true as well.
Religion-Dogma=Spirituality.
Yeah, I can see that, as in those folks who aren't ready to totally dismiss the existence of the Supernatural, but at the same time trying to grok the idea that all THIS (waves arms in a circle at the Night Sky) is just a "Happy Accident" boggles their mind even more.
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varkam | 2007-06-27 21:09 | Do you think that it is possible
That one could also be spiritual and reject the idea of the supernatural?
The Wheelman | 2007-06-27 22:41 | I think I should have said...
ARE ready.
That didn't really make any sense the other way. If they still believe in the Supernatural, then it follows that they would have an explanation for the Universe, it just probably wouldn't be named "Jehovah", "Allah", "Odin", whatever...
That's almost a Koan, y'know?
"What is a Spiritual person who rejects the Supernatural Spiritual about?"
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varkam | 2007-06-28 21:34 | Perhaps the natural spiritual?
I mean, I don't really know. Let me ask in another way, then: do you think that spirituality necessarily implies some kind of universal cosmology?
The Wheelman | 2007-07-05 23:29 | I think that it can.
I believe I have heard it (spirituality) explained as "something bigger than ourselves".
Or bigger than ourselves, but yet still within us.
I ran into this during my "Men's Movement" days. The MM, as you probably know, was very heavily into Carl Jung and his Archetypes. And we all possessed (or they possessed us) these Archetypes within us. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) the MM got hijacked by the "New Warrior" cult and I dropped out and lost all interest in Jung and his faerie tales.
I suspect that a lot of Unitarians would describe themselves as "spiritual"
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tng | 2007-06-22 03:41 |
I suspect people mean different things by the term
I suspect that for different people it means different things (which, like 'god', means the term is devoid of meaning).
I think for believers it tends to mean whatever puts them in touch with their god(s). And for those believers who are either areligious or essentially animistic or pantheistic it probably means close to what it means for many nonbelievers -- whatever puts them in touch with nature or the greater universe (i.e. "Spinoza's god" ).
I think there's also a humanistic element to the word too in that it often embodies what puts us in closer touch with our neighbors and the community.
Sorry to take so long to reply to this. I actually had to ruminate on it, but it's good to see you here and I'm glad you're doing well.
Psychobabbler | 2007-07-05 13:36 |
Good to see you!
I would say that 'spirituality' implies a belief in the supernatural without necessarily subscribing to conventional religion. This can include unconventional practice of a conventional religion (e.g. subscribing to the beliefs but avoiding churchgoing and rituals); combination of beliefs and practices of different religions (like someone I know - a scientist by the way - who combines Quakerism with a modified form of Islam); New Age-type beliefs; and occasionally the invention of one's own religion.
Some of my colleagues have done some research on personality characteristics associated with conventional religion as compared with other forms of spirituality. Here is an abstract of their recent paper:
Peer Reviewed Journal: 2005-12590-013.
Title Personality and cognitive predictors of New Age practices and beliefs. [References].
Year of Publication 2005
Author Farias, Miguel; Claridge, Gordon; Lalljee, Mansur.
E-Mail Address Farias, Miguel: miguel.farias [at] psy [dot] ox [dot] ac [dot] uk
Source Personality and Individual Differences. Vol 39(5) Oct 2005, 979-989.
Elsevier Science.
Abstract This study represents the first attempt to explore the cognitive underpinnings and personality correlates of New Age practices and beliefs. Ninety-nine subjects from a general population sample completed a battery of self-report tests, including measures of New Age practices/beliefs and traditional religiosity, as well as scales of schizotypy, neuroticism, and "boundaries". An experimental task consisting of a random display of changing dots was used to measure cognitive looseness. Results indicate that there was a relationship between New Age practices and beliefs and schizotypal personality traits, characterised by magical ideation, a cognitive disposition towards looseness of associations, and emotional hypersensitivity. Women were also more likely to be drawn to New Age practices and beliefs. On the other hand, traditional religiosity was unrelated to all personality indices and measures from the experimental task. These findings suggest that an individual may be attracted to the New Age by virtue of its magical belief system and practices, which provide meaning to unusual ideation and experiences, and which emphasise the exploration and development of a loose cognitive style and emotional sensitivity. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2006 APA, all rights reserved) (journal abstract)
(Note: 'schizotypy' is a personality scale devised by Gordon Claridge, which includes tendencies toward unusual thoughts and perceptions, impulsive nonconformity and a tendency to be solitary and uninterested in conventional pleasures. The hypothesis is that those high in schizotypy are both at increased risk for psychotic disorders *and* more likely to be creative. There is some evidence for this hypothesis. It has been argued that the relative frequency of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders, despite their seeming evolutionary disadvantages, is due to the fact that some of the genes that increase the risk for such disorders also have positive effects by increasing creativity.)
tng | 2007-07-05 14:53 |
Ooo! Thanks for that!
Fascinating study. I wonder what other work has been done along these lines?