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I gotta ask (VT and PU)

woodrowfan | 2007-04-17 12:45
Ok, I gotta ask, has the PU gone wild with Virginia Tech tin foil yet? I don't have the stomach to look.

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Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-17 15:01 |  Do you mean PI?

"PU" is sometimes used to describe my site, Pro-SemiteUndercover.  Though, we usually use PSU.  As for the PIgsty, things are all quiet....for now.  Give it time.  A few of them love that Jew-hating site, Judicial.biz, and it already has the "Jew" angle up...it was up YESTERDAY, just hours after the shootings!  So, I won't be surprised to see it pop up.




Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-18 16:27 |  Like clockwork!

Original Post: Ismail Ax
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Kurt Nimmo has a take on the words Ismail Ax that were allegedly written on the inside of the 'loner's arm.


from kurtnimmo.com


Cho Seung-Hui and Ismail Ax
Tuesday April 17th 2007, 10:09 pm

If you believe Cho Seung-Hui is but another random “loner” nut case who suddenly went off on the campus of Virginia Tech with disastrous result, you need to switch off Fox News and CNN and take a closer look at one particularly odd but revealing fact in the case.

“The Washington Post quoted law enforcement sources as saying Cho died with the words ‘Ismail Ax’ in red ink on one of his arms, but they were not sure what that meant,” the Scotsman reports. Not surprisingly, the crack scriveners at the CIA’s favorite newspaper did not bother to do a Google search on this phrase.

After the Chicago Tribune made mention of the words scrawled on Cho Seung-Hui’s body, “the blogosphere filled with theories about the possible meaning of ‘Ismail Ax.’ Hundreds of bloggers speculated on a link to Islam or to literature; thousands offered their opinions and millions read the commentaries, according to Technorati.com,” reports the Sydney Morning Herald.

One such blog, Unrest in the Forest, posted the following:

Ismail Ax “is a well known phrase in the Muslim world. The Muslims believe that the is wrong in saying that Abraham was supposed to kill Isaac with a knife, rather they believe he was supposed to kill Ishmael (Ismail) with an Axe. They also believe that Abraham was supposed to go out and attack idols with an axe, and some also attribute the phrase to meaning that Ishmael was supposed to kill Isaac, the father of all Western culture, with an axe… Cho was a South Korean immigrant to the US, but it seems undeniable that his killing spree, at least in part, was motivated by some sort of belief in Islam.”

Maybe. But then, as well, it may be that somebody wants to give the impression Cho Seung-Hui was a Muslim. Of course, it is possible Cho Seung-Hui converted to Islam after arriving in America in 1992, although there is no mention of this in news reports. In South Korea, the Muslim population stands at an underwhelming 0.2 percent. Is it possible a reclusive and basically non-communicative South Korean student—that is if we can put credence in the story now emerging—discovered this relatively cryptic and obscure Islamic religious reference on his own, maybe at the university library? If so, why was he compelled to pen this on the inside of his arm? Did Cho Seung-Hui want us to believe he was a Muslim?

Or did his handlers want us to believe he was but another crazed and psychotic Muslim gunning for innocent young Americans, “rich kids” (as Cho supposedly called them) attending a highly ranked engineering college?

Old enough to know better...too young to care.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=65696

 

I knew it was only a matter of time.  Now, place your bets on how long before the almighty Jews are involved.






MervinFerd | 2007-04-18 19:40 |  I can't make sense of the replies.

It's not the usual jumping onto the bandwagon. Maybe they are waiting for you-know-who to be connected in. Despite this post, this doesn't seem to be taking off like some previous tragedies. This incident may, somehow, not be good material for CTs. There are not any obvious connections to the Usual Suspects--Korean, rural setting, no technology, identifiable people involved.




tng | 2007-04-18 20:22 |  Is there any truth to that?

I've never heard that before "Ismail Ax"

BTW: If you don't know who Kurt Nimmo is, this should help... Writing on the arrest of holocaust denier David Irving:

"Kurt Nimmo" wrote:
Now that the “Notorious Holocaust Denier,” as the New York Times characterized David Irving, has pleaded guilty and faces three years in an Austrian prison for the crime of deviating from the official, Zionist-sanctioned and imposed history of the Second World War, we can expect triumphant ballyhoos from the Zionists, a screaming and obnoxious declaration of victory for the small outlaw nation of Israel and its endless blackmailing of millions of people who had nothing to do with Auschwitz and its discredited gas chambers.

Right. Where have we heard that kind of language before? I just don't get why a often smart mag like Counterpunch would have Nimmo writing for them.






MervinFerd | 2007-04-19 08:47 |  Cockburn and Counterpunch..

From the Wikipedia aricle on Counterpunch" "In May 2006, James Taranto, editor of the Wall Street Journal's online Opinionjournal.com website, referred to Counterpunch as a "moonbat site."[7]" Don't know about that, but Cockburn was attached to some genuine Left conspiracy theories in the past. But Counterpunch might count as a legitimate voice of the American far Left. Dunno about publishing the PaleoCons. Maybe they just have extra space.




tng | 2007-04-19 11:40 |  I don't know

I come out of the far left in terms of my personal politics so it just kills me when I see the far left embracing conspiracism, anti-semitism, anti-intellectualism and anti-scientism. I have a friend who used to work for Cockburn at The Nation (and thus has drinking stories about both Cockburn and Hitchens) and yeah, Cockburn dips into conspiracy as explanation more often than I like but he's smarter than to give air to anti-semitic bigots. Or so I would hope. I guess not. 






MervinFerd | 2007-04-19 14:33 |  What's Left?

What really does it mean to be Left these days? Back in my prime, this was clear: Being on the Left meant opposition to the Capitalist system. The degree of Left depended on how much you hoped to replace and what means you were willing to use to do that. After the McGovern campaign, when college kids (basically) took over the Democratic Party, progressive politics was dominated by social issues: women's, gay, handicapped, hispanic, animal etc rights. Or fragments of the environmental movement: Fur seals, No Nukes, No Chemicals, No Nothing. The traditional labor/management and income distribution issues disappeared. Far Left often meant Far Flaky. There's a resurgence of economic issues, but it hasn't coalesced into a widely shared ideology. The so-called left-wing blogosphere is actually very moderate on issues. It is radical only in relation to the dickless wonders that ran the Democratic Party and then only in relation to tactics. The radicals want(ed) to say out loud that Iraq is a catastrophe; the Democratic Leaders wanted to keep quiet. Part of the problem is that in the US political system has no place for 3rd parties. So you either play with the Dems or make obnoxious noises over on the side.




Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-20 03:37 |  Tinfoil anyone?

Now they are quoting "The Truth Seeker".  BLEECH!

 

Goals of the V-Tech student slaughter:
* real-world application of the "perfect weapon"
* garner support for gun control/ban
* create diversions
same day of debate to stop war funding/pulling troops out (Congress, DOD, Pentagon, WH)
Alberto Gonzales/state attorneys firing
AIPAC Spy Trial
from: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6409

 

The whole thing is sick!






Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-20 23:44 |  And yet MORE crap....

Original Post: Virginia Tech Shooting 'Oddities': http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=65853

This is in regards to a photo of the killer.  The photo is a fake!  First, the name on the person's jacket is "Hu" and not "Hui."  Second, if it were a REAL Marine uniform, the LAST name would be on the Jacket, not a portion of his FIRST name.  In Korea, much like many Asian languages, the surname is litsted FIRST; therefore, the proper name would be "CHO," not "Hu!"  Third, it clearly not embroidered like the "U.S. Marine" label.  Also, the pic is sourced from "Liberty Forum," a sub-website of the National Vanguard!

I am telling y'all, it is just days away before "the Jews had something to do with it" enters the far-left camp!!!






tng | 2007-04-21 13:56 |  Good gawd

Yep. The surname is listed first. IF YOU'RE IN ASIA!! Jeesh. And heaven forbid someone actually make a typo. Talk about a little knowledge being dangerous. 






tng | 2007-04-21 21:22 |  54 reasons for the VT shootings

The Cynical-C Blog has compiled (to date) 54(!!!) things the VT shootings have been blamed on. Check the link -- there may be more by the time you read this.

  1. It’s the fault of violent video games.
  2. It’s the fault of movies.
  3. It’s that no other students were armed.
  4. It’s the cowardly students who didn’t rush the shooter.
  5. It’s the first victim’s fault.
  6. It’s secularism’s fault.
  7. It’s the Muslims’ and/or foreigners’ fault.
  8. It’s the Atheists’ fault.
  9. It’s the fault of the colleges and how they coddle their students.
  10. It’s society’s fault.
  11. It’s the Second Amendment’s fault.
  12. It’s the bureaucracy’s fault.
  13. It’s the fault of Roanoke Firearms, where he bought the gun.
  14. It’s the authorities’ fault.
  15. It’s the Liberals’ fault.
  16. It’s pedophilia, homosexual couplings and adulterous behavior’s fault. (Not sure if he means all at the same time or separately.
  17. It’s capitalism’s fault.
  18. It’s the fault of psychiatric drugs.
  19. It’s the Devil’s fault.
  20. It’s South Korea’s fault.
  21. It’s the hippies’ fault. (Nobody’s blaming the Yippies yet)
  22. It’s the media and culture’s fault.
  23. It’s the murderer’s fault.
  24. It’s the legal system’s fault.
  25. It’s the fault of the Virginia Tech officials.
  26. It’s the fault of the Chinese.
  27. It’s the fault of this blogger who happens to be asian, likes guns and who recently broke up with his girlfriend.
  28. It’s Simon Cowell’s fault.
  29. It’s Bill Gates’ fault.
  30. It’s the fault of trauma induced mind control by a military industrial complex.
  31. It’s the killer’s parents’ and/or gun makers’ fault.
  32. It’s the fault that colleges have co-ed dorms and/or students who major in English.
  33. It’s a lack of funding for mental health services’ fault.
  34. It’s the GOP’s fault.
  35. It’s the Democrats’ fault.
  36. It’s NBC’s fault.
  37. It’s Autism’s fault.
  38. It’s al Jazeera or Palestinian TV’s fault.
  39. It’s the fault of pro-choice doctors.
  40. It’s Collective Soul’s fault.
  41. It’s the fault of professors who survived the Holocaust and are not armed to the teeth.
  42. It’s Markos from the Daily Kos’ fault.
  43. It’s the bullies’ fault.
  44. It’s the Nanjing Anti-African riots’ fault and/or the fault of those in interracial relationships.
  45. It’s the fault of our culture’s all-consuming desire for celebrity.
  46. It’s fault of the Europeanization or nannyization of American behavior.
  47. It’s Charlton Heston’s fault.
  48. It’s the fault of immigration and/or asians.
  49. It’s evil’s fault.
  50. It’s W’s fault.
  51. It’s the fault of vaccines.
  52. It’s the fault that schools teach that the theory of evolution is fact.
  53. It’s the fault of the CIA for training the killer as a mind-controlled assassin.
  54. It’s the fault of stage weapons used in school plays.





Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-21 22:49 |  The author shold check out the post from the ADL.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/extremist_respond_va_tech_shooting.htm

Anti-Asian Rhetoric

Extremists identify the shooter's Asian background to express their bigotry against non-whites. They cite Asians as "cold, calculating, and cruel" "worthless dirtbags" who "have infeccted [sic] and overpopulated too many parts in America…" One poster on the white supremacist Stormfront Internet forum instructed Asians to "Stay in China!"

 

Anti-Diversity RhetoricThe minority status of the shooter seemed to give extremists fuel to advance their sentiments against diversity. One poster on the white supremacist Stormfront Internet forum references multiculturalism as "DIE-versity," and another explains that "this is one example of a tragedy that simply would not have happened in a WN [White Nationalist] country. That Asian man wouldn't have been here in the first place." One individual who believes that "bullets are for change" explains on the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network (VNN) Internet forum that "Guns don't kill people. Ni--ers, spics and gooks kill people." 

Anti-Semitic RhetoricThe Virginia Tech shooting has given ammunition to extremists to discuss what they perceive as the "evil incarnate plague of demons that is Jewry." Citing the common myth of a Jewish-controlled media that attempts to twist events for the benefit of the Jewish people, one individual on Stormfront comments that "the media Jews feel they have a moral responsibility to lie to the public." Another explains on Phora, an anti-Semitic Internet forum, that "bodies are not cold before the vampiric filth Jew trys to parasitically worm its way in and hijack the situation and attention and drain it for its own evil benefit." [sic] A member of Stormfront explains that "Jews would find a way to capitalize off of this," and an individual on the VNN forum states, "I'm partial to the conjecture the kikes in charge of our country want to…repeal the Second Amendment by taking advantage of po chop."
In answering why "these types of incidents seem to [be] becoming more frequent," one poster to Stormfront cites the "Zionist Occupied Government," (ZOG) composed "not [of] arabs or Persians, [but] jewz...." [sic] Picking up on this familiar anti-Semitic charge, August Kreis, writes, "Z.O.G. will use this incident as a reason to try to disarm amerika." [sic] 

On his Web site, neo-Nazi Bill White, head of the American National Socialist Workers Party (ANSWP), blames the lack of societal resistance towards people like the shooter on the "Judaification of society."

 

Advancement of Anti-Israel and Anti-Government Conspiracy TheoriesNot surprisingly, extremists make the widespread anti-Semitic allegation that the Israeli government is engaged in a conspiracy to control world events to explain the shooting. An individual on Phora writes, "Mossad mustuh engineered the whole thing to make people White people think about the Holocaust and how Jooz are noble while Whites are bad…." [sic] While certain individuals cite the Israeli government as the engineer of the shooting, others argue that the American government conspired to not only engineer the event, but to use it to push gun control and the war in Iraq. On Stormfront, an individual states, "This was probably black ops to get the HR 1022 bill passed to ban assault weapons. The government doesn't want you to be able to fight them…."





tng | 2007-04-21 23:22 |  I see the ADL link is in comments at Cyncical-C

I see someone posted the ADL link in comments at Cynical-C not too many minutes before you posted here. I can't remember if there were this many conspiracy theories surrounding Columbine. 






Behind_the_Aegis | 2007-04-22 15:26 |  That was me.

Appears he used it too (in some form).  Very interesting to watch.



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