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Send in the Clones? Uh, I think I'll Pass....

The Wheelman | 2006-12-28 14:21

I guess a big bio-engineering company finally bought a Congress-Critter with oversight over the FDA. The Agency announced today that it intends to OK the marketing of cloned animal products for human consumption.

First they make the Soylent Green out of Sheep, then they'll make it out of Sheeple. And the WORST part is, like GM "FrankenFood", the cloned burger and chops will not be required to carry a label telling you that it's daddy was an electric shock.

Yech. This is just a good day for Food News. I heard on CBS radio that there is a study going on to find out just exactly how much of the Carbohydrate in the Average Murkan's diet is corn-derived. They found that 100% of the carbs in a Mickey Dee "milk shake" and 56% of a Beeg Mec come from HFCS. Fructose, Fructose everywhere, and is it good to eat? The jury's out on that question, but our bought-and-paid-for FDA says "Suck it up!".

Am I the only person in the World who wonders if High Fructose Corn Sweetner and Obesity and Typ II Diabetes might be connected?

Why do they have to turn my food into Soylent Green?


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BuffyTFS | 2006-12-30 04:51 |  Times like this I'm very

Times like this I'm very happy I went vegetarian. "Am I the only person in the World who wonders if High Fructose Corn Sweetner and Obesity and Typ II Diabetes might be connected? " I've heard claims that they are connected and claims that they aren't. From what I've read and heard it seems that a balanced diet that avoids foods with a high glycemic index (such as simple carbohydrates) and regular exercise are your best bet.




tng | 2006-12-30 13:10 |  Yeah, that's my basic working premise too.

The balanced diet, low glycemic index part. I'm not ethically committed enough to be a vegetarian and frankly I like meat but I have to give very sincere props to anyone who does go that route. 

I'm not overly concerned about the Frankenfoods thing though really, aside from the fact that the tomatoes in the supermarket taste like cardboard these days. Frankly I think there's a whole lot of hysteria and very little science on the anti-GM side and the a whole lot of good that can be done by GM goods.

The same goes for HFCS. As far as I know the relative percentages of fructose and glucose are the about same in HFCS as in common table sugar and there is solid research to show that the metabolic effects are equally similar. It is true that there are studies showing that fructose can adversely affect human metabolism and cause deleterious effects roughly similar to long term alcoholism but that is in high fructose only diets (which I guess are recommended to some diabetics). So it seems to me that as long as we are consuming our sugars in relatively the same ratios as we have in the past that there should be no effect on obesity.

There is a study that I have only heard about briefly and would like to track down when I can remember to do so that found something interesting about the consumption of sugary drinks between meals. Normally our bodies do compensate our hunger based on how much food we've recently eaten. So if we have a snack (both drink and eat) between meals we will usually eat correspondingly less at meal time. However, this study found that people who consume sugary drinks (like soda) between meals have their satiation mechanism suppressed to the point where they actually consume more at meal time than they would have if they hadn't consumed anything between meals. So if this is true and our diets are significantly higher in sugar than in the past then this might be a possible explanation for rising rates of obesity. If it's true. I'd really like to track down that study. Damn. Wish I knew where I had heard about it.

Of course too there is a question of whether there really is an increase in obesity and if there is then if it's a significant increase. There are also questions about the actual effects of obesity on human health. Clearly being severely obese has can have serious health consequences (I know -- I am really, really fat) but the point at which those consequences occur seems to be different for everyone and much higher than the hysteria being pumped out of the CDC, Surgeon General's Office and mass media in recent years. Furthermore it would also seem that being slightly to moderately overweight (that's overweight -- not obese) is actually healthier than being normal or even slightly underweight. Of course I know of studies that find longevity is tied to being slightly underweight too so I'm not really sure there is any solid science one way or the other to justify the sort of moral panic we're in regarding obesity.

You know, now that I think about it, this would be a really good topic to explore in depth on the forums here at NG. Is anybody else game? Hmm... The Skeptics' Diet... I'm sensing a book in here.






Paul -V- | 2007-01-10 12:18 |  The people

I sometimes wonder if the primary purpose of congress is to protect the people, or the people making a buck from the people.

 






tng | 2007-01-10 23:40 |  Well...

I think the primary purpose of Congress is to get re-elected and since that takes money...

Still, it's amazing how much good does get done despite how messed up it all seems to be. 






The Wheelman | 2006-12-31 17:52 |  But Monsanto's dickin' with the Veggies, too...

My biggest wonder about the cloning thing is "Why?" Surely it's not less expensive than tapping a Bull?

Thay're going to keep playing with it until they have a "Whoops!" monment, then we can starve to death, I guess...  Unless we're wealthy enough to afford "Long Pig".

 

Round and Round it Goes...






tng | 2006-12-31 22:49 |  I'm not sure what you mean

I'm not sure what you mean by 'tapping a bull' but as for "whoops" moments there is that possibiility. It's always been that way. Humans have a uniquee ability to fuck up their environment in ways beyond imagination. Does that mean we shouldn't try to make things better? Don't get me wrong. The corps like Monsanto are in it for purely selfish reasons. I detest them. If they should come up with something that should help humanity though, should we ignore it because of ignomious origins? I don't think so. It just underscores the need for governmental oversight. But we have to try. We can't continue on as we've done in the past and there's no turning back the clock so all we can do is try. And frankly Monsanto has a better chance of suceeding than Farmer Bill. That doesn't rule out that Monsanto will royally screw the pooch and kill us all, but if we don't try then we're just ignorant fools and cowards.






The Wheelman | 2007-01-01 22:56 |  You remember Biology 101, yes?

Remember? There's something the bull's got that the cow needs? Smiling Seriously, though, since they use AI now, you could quibble over what exactly does "Natural" mean. But I still don't think cloning is more cost-effective than the current practices.

"If they should come up with something that should help humanity though, should we ignore it because of ignomious origins?"

That's a real paradox, isn't it? The way I see it, at present, the only parts of Humanity getting any help from Monsanto and the rest of the FrankenFood bunch are the stockholders.

 

 

 

Round and Round it Goes...






tng | 2007-01-01 23:49 |  Ah! I see!

Ah! I see! Actually, I have seen that in the past and hope never to have to witness it in the future. It just exacerbates my own feelings of inadequacy you know? Evil

It might be that only the shareholders are being helped by Frankenfoods right now, but as long as the research is out there (and here's where I have a real problem -- patentiing genetic sequences) then who knows what it might lead to in the future. Maybe something bad. Maybes something good. More likely, a problematic solution to a problem no one anticipated. So I'm still going to err on the side of, "We've got to try." I just wish there was more governmental oversight and genetic sequences couldn't be patented.

I guess what I'm saying is it's not the technology that disturbs me, it's who's in control.

Know what I'm saying?





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